Luigified Clones in SSB4

[dcmjlive]

Whatever you answer, tell also what you think should be changed. Any moveset ideas? Post them all here!

[DoNotDelete]

I don't think all clones will be given extremely different movesets - some people like the same moveset just with minor tweaks.

I think the "Starfox" guys will get different Final Smashes though.

And Ganondorf will get to use his sword (maybe - it's kind of a legendary in-joke by now).

[dcmjlive]

it's kind of a legendary in-joke by now

An annoying in-joke...if the next Zelda game has Ganondorf holding a sword, I want the Smash series to give Ganondorf a sword.

[HulkSMASH]

I think there's a good chance that some will be upgraded to Luigi class clones but others won't. 

Lucas is already a Luigi class clone, although I suspect that they may mix their moves up a bit like they did with Mario to push them further apart.
Falco is already on his way, with a radically different Down and B and (I haven't played him much so I'm not sure) I think a lot of his A game has been tweaked (then again, Falco always had the biggest difference in A game)
Ganon is right behind Falco with his moves being tweaked, but gets bonus points for having a different FS.
Toon Link so far is the furthest from being Luigified.  His game play is dramatically different from Link, but that's mostly due to his size, speed, and weight.  His actual A and B game remain almost identical, except for his modified Down A- ariel attack.  That being said, Toon/Young Link has the capability of being Luigified much easier than any of the others, due to the access to an insane amount of weaponry/items that they could use to replace his existing tools.
Wolf is already a Luigi-fied clone.  While I'm disappointed in Wolf on a conceptual level, his moves are significantly different from Fox's.  That being said I'd like to see them change some of his moves so they're not all direct mirrors to Fox (rocket pack, laser, speed dash, shield).  And he definitely needs a new FS.

I also expect that Falco, Fox, Toon Link, and Lucas (or Ness) will get a new Final Smash

[Malintendo]

I agreed with you illz.

When thinking of a FS for wolf I am kindoff thinking Team Starwolf coming flying and bombarding the stage.
Toon link could have a windwaker related final Smash.

[dcmjlive]

I agreed with you illz.

Hmm...illz hasn't posted...

I think there's a good chance that some will be upgraded to Luigi class clones but others won't.

IMO, all clones except Toon Link are Luigified Clones... I share the same opinion with Smash Wiki on this one:

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Luigification

[EvilBoyinDark]

SSB4? Sakurai said he didn't want clones for SSBB, and yet, there is still "clone-like" characters in there.

An improvement, yes, but by just a little bit. So, for SSB4.. I think there will be an improvement, but still have "clone-like" characters.

[HulkSMASH]

I'm sorry, but Toon Link is still definitely a clone.

Ganon's moveset still needs work to be Luigi-class to me, and I don't know about Falco as I don't play him much.

[rockinon]

I'm sorry, but Toon Link is still definitely a clone.

Ganon's moveset still needs work to be Luigi-class to me, and I don't know about Falco as I don't play him much.

I think Ganondorf is very different to me.  He has similar smash attacks, but his B moves all move and act differently.  His side B is actuall a grab, and can be used as a kill/suicide against edge hogers.

[Kippo]

heres a possible Toon Link B moveset

B - Ice Arrows (3 if completly charged)
B forward - Magic Beam (like samus's missles)
B down - Tingle Tuner (drops a bomb from the sky to the closest enemy, 2 sec lag recover)
B up - Deku Leaf (works like Snake's B Up)

FS - pulls out the win waker and summons a giant tornado using the Ballade Of Gales damaging everyone on stage (except for Toon Link)

[illnesz]

Hmm...illz hasn't posted...

IMO, all clones except Toon Link are Luigified Clones... I share the same opinion with Smash Wiki on this one:

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Luigification

i think hes referring to something i said a long time ago, where i made the comment that falco's fs should have been having the star fox team bombard the stage.

anyway, wolf and falco's fs have got to be changed.

furthermore i think, so long as they are intent on keeping ganondorf a capt falcon clone, they should make him more luigified by making the sword part of the cloned moves: i.e. falcon kick move should instead be ganon charging forward with his sword tip out, up and b (when u grab someone with it) could be a grab and slash/stab instead of that electric explosion thing, falcon punch could instead be him charging dark energy into his sword and stabbing with it (similar to marths chargeable sword stab, but in this case u wouldnt be able to release the charge at will). stuff like that would be pretty cool i think.

[DeutschesBlackie!]

All that I can say is LOL @ Luigi being used in verb form

[DoNotDelete]

furthermore i think, so long as they are intent on keeping ganondorf a capt falcon clone, they should make him more luigified by making the sword part of the cloned moves: i.e. falcon kick move should instead be ganon charging forward with his sword tip out, up and b (when u grab someone with it) could be a grab and slash/stab instead of that electric explosion thing, falcon punch could instead be him charging dark energy into his sword and stabbing with it (similar to marths chargeable sword stab, but in this case u wouldnt be able to release the charge at will). stuff like that would be pretty cool i think.

I've thought about it and I think the issue with Ganondorf's sword is that it would give him an unfair advantage if he were to use it.

Think about it - Ganondorf is already very tall, and that sword is very long - being able to use that sword would give him a ridiculous amount of reach (on the move suggestions Illz outlined) that would give him an unfair advantage in terms of gameplay.

This might be why the game developers kept his Captain Falcon "cloned" moveset instead of giving him a new one that makes use of his sword.

[illnesz]

I've thought about it and I think the issue with Ganondorf's sword is that it would give him an unfair advantage if he were to use it.

Think about it - Ganondorf is already very tall, and that sword is very long - being able to use that sword would give him a ridiculous amount of reach (on the move suggestions Illz outlined) that would give him an unfair advantage in terms of gameplay.

This might be why the game developers kept his Captain Falcon "cloned" moveset instead of giving him a new one that makes use of his sword.

that diidnt stop them from making ike a pc, he has an enormous amount of reach too.

but i didnt mean that the sword add anything to those moves,  just that they have alll the same properties but he is using a sword when he does them. i know it doesnt add anything, but it makes him look better at least.

[SuperLuigiGalaxy]

Luigitize me captain!